Unser Material wird unter verschiedenen Creative-Commons-Lizenzen veröffentlicht.Weitere Informationen
Wenn dir die angebotenen Inhalte gefallen, erwäge doch eine Spende.
Pinnwand (6.976 Diskussionen)
Nützliche Hinweise
Antworten auf einige häufig gestellte Fragen findest du hier.
Wir möchten eine angenehme Atmosphäre, in der gesittete Diskussionen geführt werden, aufrechterhalten, siehe Regeln gegen schlechtes Benehmen.
sharptoothed
vor 18 Stunden
DJ_Saidez
vor 5 Tagen
saverius
vor 7 Tagen
saverius
vor 10 Tagen
Igider
vor 10 Tagen
Rafik
vor 10 Tagen
Pfirsichbaeumchen
vor 10 Tagen
Tighra_tlelli
vor 11 Tagen
Wezel
vor 12 Tagen
saverius
vor 12 Tagen
I think that commenting on English sentences that do not sound right is very inefficient since there's a load of them. so...I created a list where everyone can dump them into for native speakers to correct.
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences_lists/edit/29
Yes, I think once a sentence has been corrected, it should be removed from the list. Otherwise you would end up with a very long list...
Anyway, this is a good initiative! The only problem is that this list won't have a lot of visibility (for now), contrary to posting a comment, because the latest comments are displayed on the homepage.
So until we have time to do something about it, what you can do, I guess, is to contact other members who are native English speakers, and ask them if they could help with those sentences.
true, will do both then...
I just hope it doesn't look like I'm hijacking the homepage :D
Any suggestions on what to do with sentences that have been corrected, commented on, etc.. shall I just remove them from the list to keep it clean? (I think everyone should just correct them directly and then remove them from the list...)
There is a formatting issue with Arabic.
Whenever I type a full stop at the end of a sentence it appears at the beginning.
Now, should I just let it appear at the beginning even though it would appear at the end if copied to a word processor?
or Should I put the full stop at the beginning on purpose so it appears at the end when viewed on tatoeba?
http://tatoeba.org/eng/wall/index#message_43
We used to have the issue but I still don't know why, unfortunately it's Tatoeba independant :( but the work around given in the message will fix the problem when it happens
will I need to add ‏ every time I add sentence?
‏ (with the ; )for sentences which have problems
sysko I give up. It seems I'll have to do that for every sentence I enter...
no problem, I will add in my looong todo list "handle problem with right to left language"
merci bcp sysko :)
or better yet not bother at all with the full stop...
This also happens to all other symbols not followed by text :O
I know this might be a stupid question, but what's the percentage that appears to the top right corner of a lot of sentences? err..I mean what is it supposed to indicate?
I believe it is an indication of how good a match the sentence is for the search used to find it. I have no idea how it is calculated (particularly for searches on Japanese text ;-)
thanks :)
I think we should remove requests for error fixes after the error is fixed, because the comments rather confuse people who read the corrected sentences and the outdated comments.
Yep we totally agree with you, that's why we've included possibility to remove comments on sentences, maybe we will in the future permit people to view all their own comments in order to delete more easily
I don't like just deleting comments like that, it removes history and obscures the workings of the site.
You're left with changes that were directly caused by comments that are no longer there.
I'd rather have the ability to archive the comments by marking them as no longer relevant, and a message like "This sentence has 3 archived comments, click here to show them". Then they wouldn't clutter up the page, but you could still unhide them if you wanted to.
maybe we can imagine a system like wikipedia, comments which are about correction or so will be in a "discussion" page or something like that, and only comments which bring further information about a sentence (for example if there's some important grammar point or if this is a famous quote etc...) will be directly visible from the sentence page
That's a very good idea. We are planning something like that for the online edit system for JMdict/EDICT.
don't you think, it's more confusing, when there are comments without context, because someone deleted his comment and someone else didn't delete his comment referring to the first one?!
I would agree to Muriel. I suppose the cleanest way to do this is to allow the sentence owner to delete comments. Thus, after correcting a mistake, he could remove all the outdated comments.
Same as Muiriel, I wouldn't feel comfortable letting the sentence owner deleting the comments. Having a moderator or admin delete your comment can be tolerable because they are people who (are supposed to) know the rules, who know how things work, and wouldn't be deleting things that should have been kept. But a simple user, even if it wasn't a bad intention, can end up deleting important things.
Anyway, one of the things we have thought of is to have some sort of "public notes" associated to each sentence. These notes can be edited by everyone and would only contain essential information for the learners.
People can then say whatever they want in the comments. And whenever there's something worth noting, then someone can write in on the notes.
When you will browse a sentence, the comments will not appear below it anymore. Instead, the public notes will be displayed.
That's the basic idea but don't expect to have that implemented anytime soon though. I think for at least six months, the members will have to organize themselves as they can with the comments...
As far as I'm concerned, I'm fine with deleting comments like "There's an 's' missing" when the mistake has been corrected. But well, I'm certainly not going to hunt for those... It wouldn't not a very productive way to spend my time ^^; I think everyone can be self-responsible and take care of deleting their own comments when it is appropriate to do so. You can always try to write private messages to people, to ask them to delete a certain comment they posted.
Comments on grammar and expression might be helpful, but only if the original sentence was visible at that time.
Comments about a sentence which has already be changed are confusing. So either there should be a "sentence stamp" showing the sentence at the time the comment was made, or we have to include the sentence in our comment if we want to write something "noteworthy" which should be kept for a longer time.
that would allow censorship :S.
Most comments about wrong spelling do only take up space, so it would look "cleaner" if they were removed after the sentence is corrected. But I think comments about expressions or grammar can still be helpful to users even after the sentence is corrected.
You have time and patience, you can always browse through the whole list of comments and send me a private message to indicate the comments that you feel should be deleted...
Or at least, you can search for your own outdated comments and delete them.
I don't think the comment stuff is such a big deal. The sentence log shows previous versions anyway and I don't think it's that difficult to work out that old comments may no longer apply.
Is there a way to extract sentences of a certain language? any plans in the works? How about exporting to anki or iKnow...or importing?
How about deleting sentences or translations (at least your own sentences)?
I've got this problem where I add a translation and three copies of the very same translation get added, happened twice. Don't get it. What should I do now?
Don't worry about duplicate sentences. They will get deleted, eventually, by a script that cleans up the database from duplicates.
Also, if no one has translated your duplicate sentences, you can always replace them by another sentence. But only if no one has translated them (otherwise you will make their translations "wrong").
I know it may be a bit frustrating not to be able to delete your sentences, but like sysko said, we have a lot of things to do but not a lot of time, and deleting sentences is not really the most urgent feature ^^' You'll have to bear with us.
You guys are doing a great job. I just hope to see this project grow into something much bigger that everyone can benefit from.
except the files in the download section, no you don't have a way to generate yourself a list
for relation with anki, as I also daily use it, I really want to have a way to exchange data between anki/tatoeba, the problem is here is about time rather than "we don't want", it's just as we're a small small team, and we all do this on our spare time, so it's hard to find time to do everything.
btw, if we were to create something like, how would you like it ?
*a plugin in anki to search for example sentences for particulars words ? (I mean in a field you have your words, and when validating you, it popup some sentences of tatoeba containing this word)
*a plugin to sync your anki sentence deck with tatoeba ? (for example 2 fields , each with a sentence in a language which is the translation of the other, and to able to access them from tatoeba, and from anki if you correct it here ?
other ?
If you or you know someone who are willing to help us creating such a plugin (either by propose idea or with programming skill) don't hesitate :)
Funny thing... some days ago I _have_ written a plugin for anki that shows example sentences and their translations for my japanese vocabulary. I am currently in the final testing/optimizing stage and hope to release it somewhere around next week.
It uses the index lines to identify example sentences, so at the moment it works with Japanese only. Handling other languages would be a bit more difficult without some kind of index data (e.g. to find example sentences that contain an inflected form of the word you are studying)
lucene project already handle this project, and it seems it can be embedded quite easily (but it require a jvm)
by the way are you interested in helping us with a "tatoeba for anki" plugin ? we can provide an api for tatoeba that you can easily use with anki, you tell us what kind of data you send and what kind of data you want to receive and we will see what can do
Sounds interesting, I will contact you later with some questions :)
ok no problem, my email allan.simon at supinfo dot com
Great updates :)!!!
Hi, I spotted a small bug in the list which you get when searching for "Example sentences with the words:".
When giving a new version of the original language, this sentence appears "Are you sure you want to translate this sentence into a sentence in the same language?", but I cannot click on the OK-button. In other views it works fine.
I use the latest Firefox on Mac OS X.
Cheers.
This problem should not happen anymore :) We simply took out the "same language" warning because it is no more useful.
A general question about Chinese:
Is there a policy regarding simplified and traditional Hanzi?
I just found a sentence (nº346168) with traditional Hanzi posted by someone from Hongkong. So far the "policy" seems to be that both scripts will be put under the same category. This might be a burden for people learning the language who do not recognize the differences.
the plan is to specifiy the script in the information of the sentence, and to give the possibility to switch from one script to another while seing the sentence
That would be really awesome if you could implement this.
Yep I will try to do this ASAP, as a chinese learner, it's also something I want for a long time ^^
implemented :)
now chinese sentence have a 汉 picture when it is "simplified" and 漢 when it's traditional moreover in addition of pinyin, the equivalent of the sentence in the other script (in traditional for a simplified sentence) is also displayed
http://tatoeba.org/eng/tools/index
new tools for chinese has also been added :)
it's just a draft, so if there's something missing, or if you say some possible improvement, tell me and i will include them ;-)
Advice for those leaving corrections in comments.
I strongly suggest you 'favorite' any sentences that you leave corrections for so you can check whether they are actually corrected or not.
good suggestion
Does anyone else have problem with the updated version as well?
I use Ubuntu 9,10 with firefox 3.5.8, and since the update today, I cannot add new sentences. For each sentence I see this turning circle on the left (before I saw it only when I edited the sentence), and pressing "submit translation" does not seem to work.
Ah, well try doing CTRL+F5 on the homepage (or any page where you systematically see the loading animation when it shouldn't be there).
The problem is that your browser is still displaying from an old CSS file, and so the layout will look strange. You have to force Firefox to update its cache.
That fixed it, thanks.
yep this time the problem come from firefox
we will try to figure out, how to force Firefox to update its cache without needing an intervention from the user
Yeah, me too. I work with Vista and Firefox 3.5.7 and can't submit any translations either.
I suspect some sort of database glitch. I'd give TRANG and sysko an while to fix it before worrying too much.