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Please consider to add "Number of Translations" (at least, at most) (link: direct, indirect) in the search criteria in Advanced Search.
Some advantages:
(1) For people who intend to translate or to find sentences with most translations could be useful, these sentences could be sometimes among the most popular/universal or the most easy sentences.
(2) For people who intend to translate or to find sentences with few translations could be useful, these sentences could be sometimes among the most "virgin" sentences, or the less noisy sentences, etc.
(3) Combining this criterion with some already present criteria could be very useful for the user to localize good sentences.
For the "Length" of a sentences, the advanced search has already this useful feature: Length (At least, At most).
"Number of translations" is not less important than some other criteria.
Let compare it with two already criteria "orphan" and "unapproved" sentences.
The below statistics (for top 20 languages on Tatoeba) shows that for most languages, orphan sentences and unapproved sentences are not a big deal.
I am not saying orphan/unapproved criteria it is not useful, but my only point is that when we have these criteria for filtering just handful of sentences among tens of thousands of sentences, let have "Number of Translations'' as well.
Language; number of all sentences; number of orphan sentences; number of unapproved sentences
English; 1.8M; 47,173; 5,221
Russian 1M; 243; 78
Italian 868K; 0; 18;
Esperanto 736K; 23; 61
Turkish 732K; 281; 237
Kabyle 696K; 16; 42
Berber 651K; 29; 546
German 634K; 7; 50
French 587K; 295; 6,383
Portuguese 424K; 1,156; 86
Spanish 407K; 11; 2,773
Hungarian 401K 2,048; 25
Japanese 241K 100,369; 176
Hebrew 201K; 307; 19
Ukrainian 184K; 0; 13
Dutch 179K; 0; 36
Finish 147K; 25; 7
Polish 124K; 0; 38
Lithuanian 99K; 325; 2
Macedonian 78K; 6; 2
** Though not quite what you are asking for, you can already get sentences with no translations at all with the "&trans_filter=exclude&trans_link=direct" search.
I see that you have been translating German sentences, so here are a few examples
* 1 * &trans_filter=exclude&trans_link=direct
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...irect&from=deu
Sentences in German (34,195 occurrences)
* 2 * add &native=yes (Possibly fewer errors)
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...deu&native=yes
Sentences in German (28,251 occurrences)
* 3 * add &native=yes&word_count_max=12 (Eliminate the long sentences)
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...d_count_max=12
Sentences in German (15,224 occurrences)
* 4 * add &has_audio=yes (Not limited to native speakers, but a native speaker recorded them)
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...&has_audio=yes
Sentences in German (146 occurrences)
* 5 * For you, translating into Persian (All such sentence that still need Persian translations)
Same as * 2 * above with this addition: &trans_to=pes
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...s&trans_to=pes
Sentences in German (484,397 occurrences)
Guybrush88 has opened a feature request in the GitHub repository.
https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/3090
Excuse me: What's the purpose of the list "Pruned English Sentences"? What do you mean by "Pruned"?
The "Pruned English" list provides a more varied and balanced view of Tatoeba. It gathers all sentences of maximum 15 words that do not contain some words or sequences of words algorithmically classified as "pervasive". The pervasiveness of a text fragment is a function of its frequency, overrepresentation and informativeness. This simple filter eliminates almost half of the English sentences.
The pervasive words detected are: tom, mary, ziri, sami, yanni, rima, layla, skura, mennad, algeria, boston, berber, french, fadil, algiers, kabylie, kabyle, boldi, tatoeba, baya, algerian, benedito, edmundo, flavio, damiano, nuja, kalman, swim, fyodor, janos, leonid, adriano, miroslav, gabor, dmitri, gustavo, martino, gunter, esperanto, walid, algerians, rodrigo, oleg, lukas, tobias, bicycle, elias, igor, claudio, isabella, lorenzo, alberto, boris, santiago, amelia, ivan, yuri, karl, mosque, vladimir, farid, chess, medlars, bejaia, pietro, quran, windshield, yidir, lajos, bouteflika, giraffes, tebboune, silya, mina, coronavirus, couscous, taninna, taller, hijab, pona, sahara, figs, jayjay, salima, fluently, heathers, kabyles, hurried, berbers, suitcases, fluent, yazid, bakir, shahada, ewe, hyena, toki, homesick, swam, dania, dung, ticklish, centipede, sociopaths, marika, punctual, tagalog, saxophone, raining, stefan, eaten, o'clock, carlos, giraffe, yen, rained, lojban, jugurtha, kyoto, snowing, daphnis, barking, fuji, snowed, hokkaido, yiddish, uranus, islam, maltese.
The pervasive sequences of 3 non-pervasive words are: 'to do that', 'said that he', 'do that by', "don't think that", 'told me that', 'that he thought', 'able to do', 'that by himself', 'go to australia', 'he thought that', 'said that they', 'do that today', 'i wonder whether', 'need to do', 'me that he', 'that by herself', 'said that she', 'needed to do', 'do that again', 'told me he', 'said he thought', "that he didn't", 'do that for', "didn't know that", "didn't do that", 'should do that', 'do that anymore', 'they said that', "said he didn't", 'could do that', 'needs to do', 'me that they', 'told me they', "didn't think that", 'they said they', 'that they were', 'told me she', "won't do that", 'me that she', 'thought that you', 'not to do', "didn't seem to", "didn't need to", 'seemed to be'.
Feel free to browse this list at https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...&unapproved=no
Remarkable!
Are those sentences selected by a program?
What's the number of times a word should appear in the corpus for it to be filterd out by this algorithm?
> What's the number of times a word should appear in the corpus for it to be filterd out by this algorithm?
If he wasn't blocked, this question might have interested Amastan. About two-thirds of his English sentences—142,564 to be exact—have been "pruned" to build this filter list. It might be tempting to stop injecting his favorite pervasive words just below thresholds...
But wait, it seems that Amastan is contributing as always:
- account created recently
- native speaker of Kabyle/Berber/French/English/Arabic
- translates almost exclusively Amastan's English sentences
Please admins, don't let Amastan keep up his vandalism under a new identity!
Amastan was suspended for contributing sentences that violated the site's terms of use. The user "always" has not done that. It's not clear what you consider "vandalism": perhaps the contribution of large numbers of similar sentences? This is counter to the spirit of diversity that the site promotes, so indeed contributors should avoid it. If either of you wants to continue this discussion, please send me a private message.
Amastan was suspended? Wow. Long awaited good news.
Yet the registration process is just too easy, and if he/they is/are good at it, can fly under the radar and start doing the same thing he/they did before.
Hi Alan,
And to think that those in charge of Tatoeba sided with this hater (antisemitism, proselytism, multifaceted, multiaccounted, a stooge of a dictatorship...) to suppress the Kabyle flag. We've been robbed of our beloved flag, to please someone who isn't even part of the Kabyle corpus. Wanton injustice against people who want nothing more than to be respected. Kabyle people made a request to the UN, EU and Washington.
Let's be clear: Amastan's account was suspended because he contributed sentences that were against the terms of use, not because he "was a hater". We can't presume to know what's in his mind, nor is it our goal to punish him for it.
I wasn't involved in the decision to choose a neutral flag for Kabyle, but I recall that after considering evidence based on external sources, not solely the opinions of Tatoeba members involved in the debate, the proposed alternative flag was seen as too new and too controversial. That decision process makes sense to me, regardless of whether one of the chief opponents of that flag has an active account on the site.
Flags are not chosen on Tatoeba as symbols of group pride, any more than an envelope or pencil icon is. They're meant to be indices that serve as a quick reference to an operation or category. The icon for my primary language, English, is the flag of the United Kingdom, a country to which I have no connection and towards which I feel neither pride nor animosity. The antagonism between my part of the world and the UK faded two centuries ago, but if Tatoeba had been around in 1776, I would have been perfectly content to work with an icon that contained the Union Jack and a language/variant abbreviation, as long as that preserved the peace.
Any pride you feel toward your language should not depend on whether an apolitical site like Tatoeba chooses your preferred symbol to represent it.
As for the nature of this contributor, it is clearly defined by these polemical sentences in which apology for terrorism is made (Glorifying HAMAS, demonizing Israel and the Jewish people...):
https://tatoeba.org/fr/sentence...rd_count_min=1
And proselytism is clear in these 2488 occurrences:
https://tatoeba.org/fr/sentence...rd_count_min=1
As far as the Kabyle flag is concerned, we have one that is defined and accepted for one year on Tatoeba's site, until this individual IMPOSES his dictatorship by pushing the admins, after insults and creation of false accounts, to ban the Kabyle flag in order to impose another that is not appropriate.
It's very hurtful for those affected by this gratuitous censorship.
Hi Alan, a great news, we already reported several sentences and even discussions of this user, and we warned several times the Tatoeba admins about him.
One of the problem caused by this user was the change of the flag of Kabylian language to the Berber one, which is a bad and wrong decision.
Two different languages can't have the same flag.
As you can see currently, there is different berber (amazigh) languages, and most of them are having their own flags.
I think that it is time to put the right flag for the Kabylian language.
Kabyle and Berber don't have the same flag. They have a flag based on the same icon, differentiated by the letters KAB for Kabyle and BER for Berber. There's nothing unique about that situation: other groups of languages, such as Central Bikol, Cuyonon, Chavacano, and Southern Subanen; Berom, Igbo, and Nigerian Fulfulde; and Assamese and Ho also share an icon and are differentiated by language abbreviations.
They are sharing the same one because maybe they don't have their own flag, or they don't asking for it, which is not the case for Kabylian language and for us. We have our flag and we should simply use it.
Behind this, what called Berber is a mix between several languages from the same amazigh languages family, but they have differences and specific words, rules etc.
I see you also have a list called "Spread by Tatoebans"; could you perhaps elaborate on that as well?
"Spread by Tatoebans" is a multilingual list of sentences that have already significantly spread on Tatoeba.
The sentences of this subset tend to be more universal and to have a more dependable wording and spelling than other sentences on Tatoeba.
To enter the list, a sentence must have at least two links to sentences in other languages and from other contributors. Orphan sentences and post-linking are not taken into account.
This means that an original sentence must appeal to at least two speakers of two different languages to be selected. On the other hand, a derived sentence only needs to be retranslated once (by a third member into a third language).
Shouldn't this one be on the list: #12171339? (just to make sure I understand it right)
No, because #12172884 is derived from one of mhr's German sentences, and then post-linked to your sentence.
I see. Now when I gave it some advertising, it will hopefully become more popular :)
No doubt it will join your 61,000 sentences that are already on the list :):
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...rd_count_min=1
Wow!
** Ideas for narrowing down searches based on the "Spread by Tatoebans" list.
* Limited to "Owned by a self-identified native."
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...no&sort=random
Sentences in Russian (122,577 occurrences)
* Limited to Audio but not to "Owned by a self-identified native."
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...no&sort=random
Sentences in Russian (3,287 occurrences)
( This search gets about half of the 7,667 sentences in Russian with audio. https://tatoeba.org/en/audio/index/rus )
* No Limits other than the "Spread by Tatoebans" list.
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...no&sort=random
Sentences in Russian (135,454 occurrences)
Interesting. Thanks!
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** December 2023 Updates **
- Tatominer https://tatominer.netlify.app
- Tatolead https://tatolead.netlify.app
- Spread by Tatoebans ✨ https://tatoeba.org/en/sentences_lists/show/170280
- Rated as 'not OK' 🔴 https://tatoeba.org/en/sentences_lists/show/170380
- Rated as 'unsure' 🟠 https://tatoeba.org/en/sentences_lists/show/170383
- JMdict - Japanese 🇯🇵 https://tatoeba.org/en/sentences_lists/show/171073
- JMdict - English 🇬🇧 https://tatoeba.org/en/sentences_lists/show/171072
More information about these tools at my profile page: https://tatoeba.org/en/user/profile/lbdx
🍎 New Esperanto Voice
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...how/171975/und
audio - epo - by PaulP
His previous audio files have been in Dutch.
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence.../show/4767/und
audio - nld - by PaulP
🍎 New Turkish Voice
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...how/171960/und
audio - tur- by languagelerner
# Small tip
Note that thanks to gillux's work, you can download any list of sentences (translated into any language) directly from tatoeba.org: https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...wnload/171446. Go to the page of the list of your choice and click on the "Download this list" icon.
You can then import this list into Anki, keeping just one translation per sentence. And if you also want audios, you can generate them automatically using the HyperTTS add-on: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/111623432.
🍎 1,000 Recent English Sentences with Audio and No Translations
https://www.manythings.org/rnda...t20231129.html
► Listen at 3 speeds: normal, slower, slowest
► Click to Tatoeba.org to translate that ones you want to translate.